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Ring of Fire: Darley begs off fire district bid




Editor’s Note: The Chippewa Fire District caused controversy when it considered buying a fire truck for over $517,000. In the second installment of “Ring of Fire,” a three -part series, The Chippewa Herald looks at why a local company didn’t bid to build the truck.

It seemed odd.

From its plants, including one in Chippewa Falls, W.S. Darley produces fire trucks used around the world. The 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, China relied on Darley-made fire trucks.

So why didn’t Darley bid to make a fire truck for the Chippewa Fire District, only a few miles away from its Chippewa Falls facility?

Simple, said Jeff Darley, chief operating officer and executive vice president of the company.

“The Chippewa Fire District decided on the type of vehicle they felt would serve their needs the best,” he said.

The specifications the fire district drew up for a truck intended for the town of Howard didn’t line up with the products Darley offers. “The type of vehicle they went out to purchase is the type of vehicle Darley does not manufacture,” Darley said.

“They selected a set of specifications that was out of product mix and we declined to bid on it.”

A Darley competitor, Pierce Manufacturing based in Appleton, submitted the only bid for the project, $517,327.

As it turned out, the fire district’s board decided against buying the truck.

Jeff Darley stressed that many times fire departments write their own specifications for trucks, knowing some manufacturers will or will not be able to build it.

That may have been a factor in the Lake Hallie bid, according to a former fire chief who reviewed the truck specifications at the request of the Chippewa Herald.

“Darley, and most of the fire manufacturers, typically buy a custom chassis that is based on the specs from someone like Spartan then build the body of the truck as the client so specified.

“Since Pierce builds everything at their plant in Appleton, they are one of the few, if any, that actually build the chassis.

“The pumps (for the Lake Hallie truck) obviously preclude Darley from bidding, although they could include a remark that they are taking exception to the Waterous pump,” wrote the former fire chief, who did not want to be named became of continuing to work in the fire industry.

Jeff Darley said the fire district wanted the truck to have a custom chassis, which is more expensive.

Darley’s company is building a fire truck for the city of Chippewa Falls. which will be turned over to the city in early 2009. That truck has a substantially lower price tag, $285,000, than the fire district truck.

Chippewa Falls wanted its truck to have commercial chassis, which is readily available and has a lower price.

“They are more of an economical vehicle,” Darley said.

It’s a considerable cost savings.

“We’re saving almost $100,000 by buying the chassis,” said Chippewa Falls Fire Chief Tom Larson about buying the International Navistar 4400 commercial chassis. (The new truck will be used by the fire department’s Station 2, on the city’s South side.)

Larson said his department has other trucks with a custom chassis. “Quite frankly, we can’t afford them anymore.”

The new city truck will include a 1,000 gallon water tank and a compressed air foam system, along with ladders and hoses. The truck’s cab can seat three firefighters.

The plastic body of the fire truck is made in Augusta, and won’t rust. “It makes the trucks lighter weight so you can get better mileage.”

The city sought bids from Darley, Pierce and a third company called Seagrove, and selected the Darley bid.

“Every fire truck we’ve bought since 1936 has been a Darley,” Larson said.

You can build a pumper truck from $250,000 to $600,000, Jeff Darley said. “It all depends on what features you want on the truck.”

Usually a department’s budget – and whether it has received a grant – determines what vehicle departments buy, Darley said.

So was the $517,327 bid for the town of Howard truck unreasonable?

“I’d say no,” Darley said.



PLEASE NOTE:

Comments on stories that are updated may disappear with each update. The comments below are from readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Chippewa Herald.

COMMENTS:

chippewares wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:02 PM:

" To those that suggest a larger tank is a waste of money, consider this; water can be pumped on to the fire at about 200 gallons per minute. So if you have a 2000 gallon truck you have to either have the the person(s) rescued, the fire out or have the portable pools set up and tankers ready to dump in...10 minutes tops! before you are out of water. If you drop that down to a 1000 gallon truck you now have 5 minutes. That is would be bad if that was your family in the fire or you belongings burning up in flames. 5 minutes, that is not a lot of time! So if the fire destroys more then should have been destroyed (people or property), we all can sit back and be happy that we didn't waste our money on another stinking 5 minutes "

toby wrote on Jan 3, 2009 6:05 PM:

" The manufacturer of the equipment, whether it be the truck,chassis,pump or hoses makes no difference. It's the men who operate the equipment that matter end of story. Anyone with half the IQ of a green gumball can see that niehart has other motives, if interested your research into his history will reflect just that, otherwise just leave a comment off the top of your head and continue to make Chippewa Falls look less than intelligent. "

cfd wrote on Jan 2, 2009 12:02 AM:

" "faithful citizen" if you were on district you sure didn't pay any attention to the Engine, the pump in a city truck is the exact same as a rural truck, 99% of the time the only difference between the city and rural engine is the city truck will have a 500 to 750 gallon on board tank and the rural engine will have at least 1000 to 1500 gallon tank. If the pumps were different the district would be dumb to buy there trucks to accomadate the rural verse the city with 3 of there stations bordering Cities that have hydrant capabilities" sorry we can't mutual aid we only have a rural engine THAT HAS A SPECIAL PUMP FOR PUMPING OUT OF PORTABLE POOLS" They were all made aware of the bid but the way he spec'd the truck out Darley couldn't bid on it due too what Chief wanted, he is a good guy he knows his stuff but will try and pull a fast one when he can, just like the mansion station he wanted, go look at Cadott and Cornell's stations just a little bigger to accomadate for their bigger trucks and sleeping quarters. "

faithful citizen wrote on Dec 29, 2008 3:32 PM:

" I am far from being on expert on fire truck pumps, I am just going off what common sense tell me and that is that it would be harder on a pump to pump from a pool which is constantly having the rpm's up and down compared to a constant supply out of hydrant. Also, they did send in for more than one quote, it isn't their fault they other two wouldn't quote to the District. I was a member of the District for many years and I can say that when the issue of new trucks come up, it was up to all the members involved, not just Neihart. Don't think this was all his idea, they don't just come up with an idea and the next day go and buy a $500,000 truck. It is a long process to find what is best for each station. If people have an issue with Neihart, take it up with him, don't make the rest of us pay the price for a personal issue. "

Wilson wrote on Dec 29, 2008 2:05 PM:

" faithful citizen: The same pumps go in a "city" truck as a "rural" truck that pumps out of a portable pool. A city truck can opperate just fine on a rural street. The Fire District Chief wanted a Pierce and almost got a Pierce. Again only one bid? If the Fire District Chief wants a Pierce and only a Pierce then he should fess up. Don't put a spec out that eliminates everyone else then call it fair. The Fire District Chief is being held accountable and he does not like it. "

faithful citizen wrote on Dec 29, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Just to give the complete facts about wanting better than average. In the city limits average is fine, there are roads to every house and most of them are paved. In Howard, and many other communites, they don't have the luxury of paved roads. A stronger chasis is needed. Also, what most people don't realize is that the city's truck can just pull up to a hydrant and pull water. In Howard, and many other communities, they have to use a portable pool to pump water. This requires a more detailed pump to continue to work. There are many other obstacles the Fire District has than the city, so it is unfair to compare the two. Yes, the District was asking for a pretty expensive truck, but when you can put a price on your child's life, then you can complain. We think there are always alternatives, but sometimes there just are not. They could go with a lower end truck, but we know what happens when you buy lower end. Do we want this for our emergency equipment? I don't. "

Wilson wrote on Dec 28, 2008 10:45 AM:

" The truck is for the Town of Howard not the Village of Lake Hallie. Take off the extra 1,000 gallons of water and go with a commercial chasis you would drop the cost to about what the City of Chippewa Falls is paying. The International is a reasonable chassis. If the city can't afford a custom chassis then the Fire District can't either the tax base and population are about the same. Area fire departments buy Darley all the time. Lets support local industry and jobs! "

reader wrote on Dec 28, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Thank you Jeff for being so honest. It appears that the Fire District wants the best of the best in an economy that does not support that attitude. I am sure they can get along with a cheaper truck that will serve them for many years to come. The calls for service does not support such a truck as they wanted. Time to reflect on your needs vs your wants. "

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